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As my previous post indicated, I went to the Goth Eucharist last night.

The TV cameras and journalists taking photos were mildly distracting (especially when they appeared to be attempting to film candles and when the cameraman sat on the altar step just was we were about to go up to receive communion) but on the whole I managed to ignore them. I was as much distracted from worship by wanting to watch and judge this event.

I admit that I went along out of curiosity. I am not a Goth. TBH, I'd never come across Goths until I came to Cambridge and do not know that much about the sub-culture. But, given the conversation we had over dinner after Mass on All Saints' Day, I wanted to see for myself what it was like and I do have a number of friends who define as Goth. This was really my first opportunity to go as for the last three terms I've had something on on the same alternate Tuesdays but that's on the other set this term!

I wasn't that sure what to expect. I got there at 8:30 and we hung around and chatted and I nearly didn't recognise [livejournal.com profile] meirion in the half dark. After a bit, we sat down and started looking through the liturgy. I observed that the Eucharistic Prayer, though not an authorised CofE one had the words of institution and an epiclesis of sorts which reassured me on the point of validity.

Although the theme of the service was given as Miracles, the sermon did not discuss the idea of miracles and whether they were possible but took us through the raising of Lazarus and related it to our lives: being called out by Jesus from darkness and imprisonment; the role of the bystanders in freeing his bonds; the fact that Jesus made clear that Resurrection was not just some nice abstract idea that they'd learnt about in Sunday School (Sabbath school surely!) but was embodied in him and could happen how.

The text used at the invitation to Communion which was described as `after Teresa of Avila' was powerful. It had resonances with the Methodist Covenant prayer. It certainly was not a happy-clappy service and acknowledged the darkness many of us experience. The use of the beginning of the Prologue to St John's Gospel at the lighting of the Paschal candle worked, with its statement that the darkness has not overcome death and psalm 139 is my favourite psalm (although my inner pedant was amused by having several verse of it as the `opening sentence'!). I did wonder why there were 5 candles around* the paschal candle when only four were lit in the course of the service (and there were 6 spaces in the candlestand).

I'm still not sure though how to answer Fr Andrew's concern about it creating a ghetto. Where is the balance between reaching out to people in terms that they will understand and drawing them into the wider body of Christ in which there is no Jew, no Greek, no Barbarian, no Goth etc?

*That's what it said in the opening blurb but they were in front of it really)
yrieithydd: Celtic cross with circle and knotwork pattern (Cross)
Yesterday, I read the following exchange on a a thread about bringing back the prayer book Angloid wrote:
1662 (Communion, I'm not discussing M or EP) is not 'traditional liturgy' but a bit of reformation propaganda masquerading as liturgy.

to which Callan responded:
Presumably the Tridentine Mass is Counter-Reformation propaganda masquerading as liturgy, the liturgy of St John Chysostom is Byzantine propaganda masquerading as liturgy and Common Worship is middle class English pelagian propaganda masquerading as liturgy?

and followed the link [livejournal.com profile] curig had posted to the Churches together in Britain and Ireland material for the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity and in the evening attended the the Goth Eucharist. As I lay awake trying to sleep these things prompted some thoughts about liturgy and propaganda and why I dislike much modern liturgical stuff.

There is a sense in which liturgy is propaganda; liturgy forms what we believe, lex orandi, lex credendi, and so the aim of liturgists is to set out right doctrine in the liturgy. However, I still felt that Callan's response was unfair and that there was a sense in which the BCP 1662 Communion service was far more propagandist than his other examples.* With the BCP, you have a big change of structure from the tradition and it is that which makes it more like propaganda. It is not a gradual development to that structure and a process of refining but it is a deliberate break with what had gone before and an attempt to inculcate a particular set of Reformation beliefs.

This led me on to reflecting why it was that I dislike many modern services (such as the CTBI material) but found that I did not have a bad reaction to the Goth Eucharist. It comes go to the obviousness of the agenda. So much of the modern stuff has a fluffy modern agenda and it is obvious. I felt that the Goth Eucharist avoided that, well an obvious agenda -- I doubt it would be fluffy! -- although it was aimed at a particular sub-culture. It drew on previous liturgies and on the concerns of the sub-culture and did not feel too forced.

*Oh, and I'm not sure why CW is described as pelagian!

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