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angelofthenorth at the BL to view their exhibitions. We found each other eventually and proceeded into the display of the Treasures of the BL. These include early Biblical fragments and codices, a Göthenberg and a Wycliff Bible (one of two in existence). There was a Bible Tour in. The guide asked what Septuagint meant and whilst I muttered `seventy' under my breath, angelofthenorth said it aloud. This was the start of us being drawn into the tour. We were a useful source of information (even if we were slow in remembering what Wycliff's followers were called, angelofthenorth got to Lollards eventually). Some of the stuff was interested, although he didn't mention the Vetus Latina (going straight to the Vulgate for Latin translations) and then he went straight onto Pierre Valdes (or Peter Waldo) for the next translation. This disappointed me, because I'd love to hear the talk of the Anglo-Saxon translations in this context. There was then a tangent into the Magna Carta to demonstrate the Pope's temporal power at the time. Then it was onto Wycliff and his Bible. It was at this point a letter `from the Cardinals to the new Pope Julius III in 1550' was read out which claimed that the Pope should discourage the reading of scripture (beyond the portion of the Gospels read at the Mass) lest the people realise that the Bible goes against much of what the Church teaches. Then onto the Göthenburg Bible (of which the Church approved as being in Latin it wasn't a threat). Then, the use to which the Church put the printing press -- Indulgences. The guide massively over-simplified what was going on with these. By now, I'd got to `extreme protestent sect'. Then to Tyndale's Bible. After a mention of authorisation of Matthew's Bible, it was back to early manuscripts and how these can act of a sieve on the corruption of scripture. 1 Tim 3:16 was used as an example where the Alexandrine (I think) Codex has θς with a bar over the top (i.e. an abbreviation for θεoς, although the guide said `word') but analysis shows that the bar over the top and the line in the middle of the Θ are later additions which left oς (or the relative pronoun). This he was arguing the was key because God would give evidence for the Trinity, which he said in such a way as to show himself a heretic.
Afterwards, we managed to have a word and it turned out the tours were organised by Meander Tours a JW organisation.
Back at Angel's, after lunch, Google was my friend and searching for "Julius III Pope Cardinals Bible" gave me The Fake Cardinals' Letter to Pope Julius III (1550) as the first hit. Says it all really! I don't know anything about the author of the website, but ... .
angelofthenorth at the BL to view their exhibitions. We found each other eventually and proceeded into the display of the Treasures of the BL. These include early Biblical fragments and codices, a Göthenberg and a Wycliff Bible (one of two in existence). There was a Bible Tour in. The guide asked what Septuagint meant and whilst I muttered `seventy' under my breath, angelofthenorth said it aloud. This was the start of us being drawn into the tour. We were a useful source of information (even if we were slow in remembering what Wycliff's followers were called, angelofthenorth got to Lollards eventually). Some of the stuff was interested, although he didn't mention the Vetus Latina (going straight to the Vulgate for Latin translations) and then he went straight onto Pierre Valdes (or Peter Waldo) for the next translation. This disappointed me, because I'd love to hear the talk of the Anglo-Saxon translations in this context. There was then a tangent into the Magna Carta to demonstrate the Pope's temporal power at the time. Then it was onto Wycliff and his Bible. It was at this point a letter `from the Cardinals to the new Pope Julius III in 1550' was read out which claimed that the Pope should discourage the reading of scripture (beyond the portion of the Gospels read at the Mass) lest the people realise that the Bible goes against much of what the Church teaches. Then onto the Göthenburg Bible (of which the Church approved as being in Latin it wasn't a threat). Then, the use to which the Church put the printing press -- Indulgences. The guide massively over-simplified what was going on with these. By now, I'd got to `extreme protestent sect'. Then to Tyndale's Bible. After a mention of authorisation of Matthew's Bible, it was back to early manuscripts and how these can act of a sieve on the corruption of scripture. 1 Tim 3:16 was used as an example where the Alexandrine (I think) Codex has θς with a bar over the top (i.e. an abbreviation for θεoς, although the guide said `word') but analysis shows that the bar over the top and the line in the middle of the Θ are later additions which left oς (or the relative pronoun). This he was arguing the was key because God would give evidence for the Trinity, which he said in such a way as to show himself a heretic.Afterwards, we managed to have a word and it turned out the tours were organised by Meander Tours a JW organisation.
Back at Angel's, after lunch, Google was my friend and searching for "Julius III Pope Cardinals Bible" gave me The Fake Cardinals' Letter to Pope Julius III (1550) as the first hit. Says it all really! I don't know anything about the author of the website, but ... .
